Since the early 1960's various members of the Forsgren family have worked at tracking the descendants of the Forsgren siblings. A great deal of the ground work for this effort was done by Elias Peter Forsgren, a son of Peter Adolph Forsgren by his second wife Elise Thomassen. Others have carried on the work and we continue to do so today. The list is, of course, only as complete as the information provided to us by Forsgren descendants. We would love to have any contributions of your paper family group sheets or Personal Ancestral File email attachments.
To protect the privacy of living individuals I will not post the descendancy chart to this blog. I will be happy to send a copy to any family member who wishes to contact me and who can provide information concerning their own rightful spot in the family.
As of 1 Sep 2012 the descendant list contains 1228 individuals and 393 marriages and is 18 pp. long. There are large holes where information is needed since we are now into the 9th generation (from father Johan Olaf Forsgren), yet I do not have family records for some branches of John Erik's family beyond the 5th or 6th generations.
Sooooo...... please get a copy of the descendant's list, see where YOUR family stands, and help us fill in the gaps!
Friday, July 16, 2010
John Erik's Expulsion from the Church
On this date 167 years ago, John Erik Forsgren was baptized a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Boston, Massachusetts by William McGhen. It was a Gospel he embraced with his whole heart. It took him to Nauvoo where he met the Prophet Joseph and other Church leaders, becoming particularly close to Heber C. Kimball. He began the westward move to the Rockies, then joined the Mormon Battalion (the only Swede to do so among the volunteers). He later willingly left his wife of just a few months and returned to Sweden to preach the restored Gospel there. He became President of the Scandinavian Mission for a time and then successfully led a group of Saints across ocean and land to bring them safely to the heart of the new Zion in the Salt Lake Valley.
He could not have known, given that dedication and enthusiasm, that he would later become disenchanted with this Church he loved. He eventually began to criticize the leadership of Brigham Young and then set up a large tent on the East Bench of Salt Lake City (at 4th South and 11th East) where he began preaching his own religion. A grand daughter - Alice Mariah Forsgren Eliason Hatch - wrote the following in her memoir of her family life (in answer to questions initiated by her niece Hazel): "Grandpa John Eric was an eloquent, fiery spseaker and became very prominent. He expected to be one of the Twelve Apostles and when Brigham Young chose Erastus Snow to be his apostle when a vacancy occurred, Grandpa became disillusioned and hurt. It was the cause of his leaving the Church and starting a church of his own. . . .
I remember hearing my Mother [Esther Ann Smith] tell me once: 'I only saw your grandfather John Eric Forsgren once. He was an old man then, and he paced up and down the room expounding his doctrine. He said that he would be taken up to heaven in a fiery chariot like the Prophet Elijah. I asked her how Dad felt about him. She said he always hated him.' I was always curious about Grandpa but could find out very little about him. It seems as if he covered his failures with delusions of grandeur - a useful and common device. I don't know why he came back to Brigham. He didn't stay."
I have recently wondered as well how the death of Heber C. Kimball affected him John. Heber and his wife Vilate "adopted" by sealing John Erik and his then wife, Mary Ann Hunt. That seems a significant act. Heber continued to be involved in John's early life and decisions once in the S.L. valley. It was he who suggested John take Heber's own step-daughter (by his second wife), Francis Noon Smith, a young widow to be a plural wife and it was he who performed their sealing. Heber believed strongly in the law of plural marriage and probably also hoped that John E. would care for his recently widowed step-daughter and her children. Other family stories indicate that this very sealing was the beginning of the end for John's marriage to Sarah Bell Davis. Sadly, neither marriage went well. How did John feel about that?
It has been stated in many histories about JEF that he died a non-member of the Church. I knew he had disassociated HIMSELF from the Church but sought evidence of a formal excommunication for which I had no dates. I spoke with a member of the Church Temple Committe in Salt Lake, who after a lengthy search, returned to tell me that they had no formal record on file of such an excommunication. He suggested that probably this information would be buried in the minutes of the ward or stake in which he lived but because I was not a direct descendant of John E (My line is through Peter Adolph, his brother), I could not have access to those minutes. I was not successful in finding a descendant who had the time to plow through several rolls of microfilm to find a church court proceeding for John.
I am indebted to Laurie Bryant of Salt Lake City (who was also doing some research on John Erik and other inhabitants of the East Bench area) for calling to my attention the following notice published in the weekly edition of the Deseret News, Feb. 12, 1879, p. 9. (A notice taken from the Deseret News Daily of Feb. 8th):
" The following decision was rendered, and unanimously sustained by the High Council, on Sunday, February 2nd, 1879, viz.: ' That John E. Forsgren is possessed of a lying spirit, is guilty of unchristian-like conduct, and that he be cut off from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and that this decision be published in the papers.' Wm W. Taylor. Clerk of the High Council."
I was grateful for the conclusion of an unfinished research goal. But since this is a blog of my feelings and thoughts as well, I must add that in reading the notice over and over again I was filled with great sadness and heartache. I yearned for this not to have happened. I felt stung by the frankness of the words used to describe the event. I am assuming the reference to his "lying spirit" had to do with his very open denunciations about Brigham Young and other leaders with whom he had quarrels. I wished that the events of his life had not brought him to this point.
Again I state that it is not ours to judge. The incredible work he did during the early days of his dedication and missionary efforts should not be ignored. We must look at his life in its totality and hope that one day we will all understand better what led to his unhappiness and disenchantment.
He could not have known, given that dedication and enthusiasm, that he would later become disenchanted with this Church he loved. He eventually began to criticize the leadership of Brigham Young and then set up a large tent on the East Bench of Salt Lake City (at 4th South and 11th East) where he began preaching his own religion. A grand daughter - Alice Mariah Forsgren Eliason Hatch - wrote the following in her memoir of her family life (in answer to questions initiated by her niece Hazel): "Grandpa John Eric was an eloquent, fiery spseaker and became very prominent. He expected to be one of the Twelve Apostles and when Brigham Young chose Erastus Snow to be his apostle when a vacancy occurred, Grandpa became disillusioned and hurt. It was the cause of his leaving the Church and starting a church of his own. . . .
I remember hearing my Mother [Esther Ann Smith] tell me once: 'I only saw your grandfather John Eric Forsgren once. He was an old man then, and he paced up and down the room expounding his doctrine. He said that he would be taken up to heaven in a fiery chariot like the Prophet Elijah. I asked her how Dad felt about him. She said he always hated him.' I was always curious about Grandpa but could find out very little about him. It seems as if he covered his failures with delusions of grandeur - a useful and common device. I don't know why he came back to Brigham. He didn't stay."
I have recently wondered as well how the death of Heber C. Kimball affected him John. Heber and his wife Vilate "adopted" by sealing John Erik and his then wife, Mary Ann Hunt. That seems a significant act. Heber continued to be involved in John's early life and decisions once in the S.L. valley. It was he who suggested John take Heber's own step-daughter (by his second wife), Francis Noon Smith, a young widow to be a plural wife and it was he who performed their sealing. Heber believed strongly in the law of plural marriage and probably also hoped that John E. would care for his recently widowed step-daughter and her children. Other family stories indicate that this very sealing was the beginning of the end for John's marriage to Sarah Bell Davis. Sadly, neither marriage went well. How did John feel about that?
It has been stated in many histories about JEF that he died a non-member of the Church. I knew he had disassociated HIMSELF from the Church but sought evidence of a formal excommunication for which I had no dates. I spoke with a member of the Church Temple Committe in Salt Lake, who after a lengthy search, returned to tell me that they had no formal record on file of such an excommunication. He suggested that probably this information would be buried in the minutes of the ward or stake in which he lived but because I was not a direct descendant of John E (My line is through Peter Adolph, his brother), I could not have access to those minutes. I was not successful in finding a descendant who had the time to plow through several rolls of microfilm to find a church court proceeding for John.
I am indebted to Laurie Bryant of Salt Lake City (who was also doing some research on John Erik and other inhabitants of the East Bench area) for calling to my attention the following notice published in the weekly edition of the Deseret News, Feb. 12, 1879, p. 9. (A notice taken from the Deseret News Daily of Feb. 8th):
" The following decision was rendered, and unanimously sustained by the High Council, on Sunday, February 2nd, 1879, viz.: ' That John E. Forsgren is possessed of a lying spirit, is guilty of unchristian-like conduct, and that he be cut off from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and that this decision be published in the papers.' Wm W. Taylor. Clerk of the High Council."
I was grateful for the conclusion of an unfinished research goal. But since this is a blog of my feelings and thoughts as well, I must add that in reading the notice over and over again I was filled with great sadness and heartache. I yearned for this not to have happened. I felt stung by the frankness of the words used to describe the event. I am assuming the reference to his "lying spirit" had to do with his very open denunciations about Brigham Young and other leaders with whom he had quarrels. I wished that the events of his life had not brought him to this point.
Again I state that it is not ours to judge. The incredible work he did during the early days of his dedication and missionary efforts should not be ignored. We must look at his life in its totality and hope that one day we will all understand better what led to his unhappiness and disenchantment.
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